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Sorry about being incommunicado for so long, chaps and chapesses! It's been a wee bit of a crazy weekend (and, well, a crazy week, but that's nothing unusual). As I may have mentioned in my last post, the plan was to take a quick trip down to see the family in LA for the long weekend and remind everybody what I look like, since I'll be visiting JC (who is at UCLA, true, but UCLA is on the southern end of the enormous morass that is Los Angeles, and Woodland Hills, where my family lives, is at the northern tip) for T-Day itself (acronyms FTW!), but that didn't quite go through. My mom had kind of a craptacular week, and so wanted to go down with just herself and RG, so I ended up house-sitting (and A-sitting, although she insists that she doesn't need sitting anymore), which worked out rather well, as it turns out.

RG came to pick me up after class on Friday, and the drive back up to Sebastopol was kind of, to borrow [livejournal.com profile] hamsterwoman's phrase, fraught. His mom just died of throat cancer about two or three weeks ago, and right now he's just kind of in a daze. From what I've been able to gather, his relationship with his parents, especially his father, is kinda tense, but when we swung by their place in Santa Barbara last summer, he seemed to get along with his mother pretty well. I recently read a quote (I forget where) that ran something like "It doesn't matter how old we are when we lose our parents, there is always a sense of being orphaned," and I saw a lot of that with him. He's not the most emotionally self-aware guy around, so I don't think he really knows what to do with himself in a situation like this; I'm glad he's got my mom, as always, for support, because otherwise, I have a feeling that things might get pretty bad. But we talked about the cats (I think that, aside from my mom, he's closer to Apollo than any living thing) and movies (he recc'd both Skyfall and Cloud Atlas, the former of which I don't think I'll have time to see and the latter of which is already out of theaters here in Berkeley, and I didn't have time to see it in Sebastopol. AAAAUUUUURRRRGGGGHHH!), and only got mildly lost, so once I got over the initial awkwardness of "what does one *say* to a person one has known for one's entire life but isn't particularly close to, and who has just lost a parent?", things went pretty well.

When we got back to Sebastopol, I hadn't even had time to unpack before my mom got back herself, and she and I went out to D's (somewhere between a burger joint and a diner) to catch up before she and RG left. It was really, really good to talk to her - I got all the news about the family, talked a little about my H concerns and ways to handle them, and just generally got some reassurance that I wasn't being whiny or weak by seeking psychological help. Oh, and I'll never turn down the chance for free burgers and onion rings, so there's that. ;) We didn't have an awful lot of time, though, because, while they did the smart thing and decided to not make the whole 7-hour drive in one go, the halfway point where we/they usually end up staying is still a good 4 or 5 hours away, and by that time it was 8:00 at night, and she'd been at work all day, so off they went. Once they left, H came over, and it was basically the same process, only the psychological issues we talked about were hers, and her pushiness/my passive-aggressiveness, of course, didn't come up. But it sounds like she and C are doing better, which is great - I really want both of them to be happy, because they deserve it like nobody else I know, but the deck is stacked against them in so many ways, so they've really had to work at it. But it sounds like everybody is doing what they need to be doing, medically speaking, C is still looking hard for work, and H is taking a quick course to be one of those people who draw your blood at the blood bank in order to earn some money.

H spent the night in P's room, because the next day was going to be Thanksgiving: Practice Round. Because none of us have made a full Thanksgiving dinner on our own before, we decided to make this weekend our trial round, so that we could get any n00b mistakes out of the way ahead of time. This turned out to be a good idea, as, contrary to the instructions I got from my dad, it turns out that a roast takes more than 40 minutes to cook. We eschewed the traditional turkey, mashed potatoes, etc. (which I'm half glad about [I hate yams/sweet potatoes, pecans, pumpkin, and most things that involve cranberries], and half sad about [I do love me some turkey and mashed taters]) in favor of a Yorkshire pudding and accompanying roast. H concocted a very tasty rub for the roast - white pepper, garlic salt, and some rosemary from our garden. IMO, there was a little too much pepper, but then again, I'm the card-carrying World's Biggest Spice Wimp. The pudding was just fun to make, though; I have a feeling that we checked on it way more than necessary just to see it puff up to seven times its initial height (we measured) before deflating back to about twice its initial height. We entertained the idea of cooking something out of A Feast of Ice and Fire, which they gave me for my birthday last summer, and while we ended up not making any of the main dishes (I nixed most of the Dornish food on suspicion of spiciness, and we didn't know where to get quail or snake), we did make that iced milk with honey and cinnamon thing that Ned and Grand Maester Pycelle drink in AGoT, which was delicious - I thought it would be too cold, since it was, like, 50º outside, but it got unexpectedly toasty after cooking most of the day. A even consented to try some, and even came back for seconds, so I call this an unmitigated success. We also bought the ingredients for iced berries in sweet cream, but we ran out of time for them.

The reason we ran out of time was that my dad was hosting his usual Sunday dinner on Saturday instead, so C, H, AD (H's sister, the astute reader may remember, with whom H is very close), A, and I all trooped over there. I was initially afraid we would all start out on the wrong foot like last time, but Stepmom didn't call H a "hellion," so at least there's that. Actually, dinner preparation went very well - Dad had barbecued, C and I mixed up some lemonade, and H and AD got an impromptu lecture in Emily Post table settings (about which my dad has always been strangely insistent - the fork is on the left on top of the napkin, the knife [bow *in*, not *out*] and spoon whether or not the meal actually requires spoons in that order on the right, water glass above the fork, wine glass above the knife and spoon). Dinner itself was delicious, as always, and flowed fairly smoothly. Stepmom's mom had just flown up from Florida that day, and luckily ended up next to C, who speaks the best Spanish out of any of us, so she was able to talk to him, and apparently show him her poetry, and she said later that he was charming. But my dad was already about halfway asleep (everybody keeps telling him that now he has neophytes interns to do all the stuff that requires getting up at quarter to four in the morning requires, but I guess he still likes doing it all himself) and I think Stepmom had drunk a little too much, because she ended up saying, not meaning to be offensive that, given C's and H's combined list of medical issues, they shouldn't have children. I don't think she knew that H's #1 goal is to be a mommy, but that really cheesed her off. And then A felt slighted and had one of her (increasingly rare, it must be noted) tantrums and stomped off in a huff, but at least Dad got to have a nice long talk with her about it. So, overall, about 50/50.

Team C/H/AD went home shortly after we got back to my mom's place, after noodling around online for a bit and showing each other things like Epic Rap Battles of History (largely hilarious, especially Columbus vs. Captain Kirk and Einstein vs. Stephen Hawking) and the new trailer for World War Z (I'm not holding my breath). H and I had planned to go to Plato's Closet, a neat secondhand place she and AD have been frequenting of late, but she evidently got engrossed in something or other and didn't text me back all day, so that fell through. Which, TBH, was probably a good thing; I brought the usual crazy amount of course reading with me, and actually managed to get through a good chunk of it after doing literally nothing but read all day. Wooooo! But my big worry that weekend was a paper I had due on Tuesday, which I had a really hard time getting started with - it required a bunch of secondary sources and extra resources, so I only had my thesis half-formulated by Monday. My dad drove me back Monday evening, and seemed really down - apparently LR and MH, two of my stepsiblings, are giving him trouble, and HR, who is only about six months younger than me (her and I being friends is actually how he and Stepmom met) is pregnant, which I didn't even ask him about, because I imagine he hit the freakin' wall when he found out about *that* one. I ended up having to stay up most of Monday night/Tuesday morning in order to get that paper done on time.



'Course, the big event Monday was Luna's First Livestream! [livejournal.com profile] rikibeth very kindly hosted one of the 1993 The Three Musketeers when she found out that I hadn't seen it, and it was glorious. Five words: Tim Curry as Cardinal Richelieu! He was deliciously hammy, although (and I know this is hard to imagine) he was actually out-hammed by the captain of his guards, who literally had an eyepatch, black twirly mustache, and wore all black, even aside from the glorious camp of his performance. In fact, the whole thing was deliciously campy. (Oh, and five more words: Charlie Sheen as Aramis.) They pretty much threw historical accuracy (except for, apparently, a period-appropriate Baroque carriage) and the plot of the novel out the window (although, of course, the broad story remained more or less intact) and straight-up Errol Flynn'ed most of it, which is the path straight to my heart. I was raised on Captain Blood, The Sea Hawk, and especially The Adventures of Robin Hood (we literally wore out two VHS tapes), so the hero and Dragon fencing their way across a crumbling wall? Sold. Messages of freedom delivered via crossbow? Solder. Swinging from banners/chains/chandeliers? Soldest. Oh, and the bromance was pretty weapons-grade. Athos' and D'Artagnan's interactions pretty much went like this:
D'Artagnan: GRR I HATEZ U >:O
Athos: *sigh* Shame that I have to kill you, pretty little thing that you are.
D'Artagnan: YAY ILU LET'S BE BFFS CAN I BE A MUSKETEER ALL FOR ONE AND ONE FOR ALL :D
Athos: ...um, okay?
*Adventures ensue*
D'Artagnan: *grumble* *strikes out with barmaid*
Athos: I am wounded and cynical, but secretly sensitive. Let me tell you about my failed marriage.
D'Artagnan: Wow, that sucks. You have beautiful eyes. So now are you done with girls, or what?
Athos: Yep, pretty much. Damn, you're pretty. *leans in*
D'Artagnan: I feel strangely connected to you, despite having known you for only, like, two days. *leans in*
Porthos: *CRASH*
Athos: GODDAMMIT, PORTHOS!
*fanfic ensues*
Athos: We must split up for safety's sake!
Other Musketeers: But what about safety in nu-
Athos: IgetD'Aartagnanseeyouguysinthreedaysbye!
D'Artagnan: :D
*fight ensues*
Athos: OK, there's like a million of these guys. Run while I hold them off!
D'Artagnan: NOOOOOOO!
Athos: Your life is more important than my own! Now go before I shoot you myself!
D'Artagnan: I love y- I mean, I'll never forget you! One more unnecessarily close embrace for the road?
Athos: G'wan then.
*seduction by vampy femme fatale ensues*
D'Artagnan: Sorry, lady, taken.
Athos: BITCH, YOU DID NOT JUST KIDNAP MY BOYFRIEND!
Athos: ...wait, that's my wife. Crap.
D'Artagnan: Awkward...

Chris O'Donnell's D'Artagnan is now my headcanon for Loras Tyrell (albeit with slightly darker hair and brown, not cornflower-blue eyes), cheeky little bastard that he is, and, as you can see he had some fairly ridiculously slashtastic moments with Athos, including a rather intimate little tête-a-tête (complete with invasions of personal space, some pretty intense gazing, and quite a bit of ambiguous comments re: Athos' failed marriage and D'Artagnan's feelings regarding it). But my favorite was the scene shortly after, where Athos practically drags D'Artagnan off when the Musketeers have to split up to avoid discovery, flips out when they're caught (it turns out Kiefer Sutherland has a rather impressive "YOU INTERRUPTED MY HONEYMOON DATE, DAMMIT!" death glare), and goes into Protective Mode, urging D'Artagnan to flee while he holds them off, which prompts yet another round of intense gazing and a rather vehement, even anguished, "I'll never forget you!" from D'Artagnan. [livejournal.com profile] rikibeth, of course, wrote glorious fanfic of it. Ultimate verdict: not quite the slashtastic levels of Hornblower (in that Athos and D'Artagnan actually kept their hands on the outside of each other's clothes, unlike Certain Other People), but delightfully campy and fun; exactly what I needed after a day full of Faulkner. So that was the fun part of Monday.



Tuesday was my first counseling appointment, and it went...okay. The counselor dude seemed very fixated on whether or not I had friends, how much time I spent with them, whether or not they were my "support," etc. He didn't seem to like the fact that I find even my best friends wearing to spend time with, and I didn't even bring up the thing where, TBH, lately I've been deriving my greatest pleasure in social interaction from flailing at people over the Internet about people who don't exist. And, actually, I'm coming to think that's a huge part of it - as a pretty standard-model introvert, I love talking to people...on my own terms, when I can put off interacting when I don't feel like it, and knowing there's always someone there when I *do* feel like it, so there's none of the sense of intrusion and dragging obligation that can make IRL interactions so tiresome. But aside from that, he focused pretty much on the academic side of things, so the stiff-necked, prickly Stark-Gryffindor hybrid in me is worried that I'm being pigeonholed into the ol' "oh, another senior is taking too many units and is freaking out about it" standby. Of course, the Styffindor in me may have just been set off by the fact that he was using that soft, gentle voice that I'm sure counselors are trained to use to soothe people, but my one crazy-making, irrational (in that I see it waaaaay more than it actually happens) pet peeve is being condescended to/patronized, and it sounded rather like a talking-down-the-crazy-lady voice, which made me kinda >:(. But at least he took my more serious concerns, er, seriously, and seemed pleased that I wanted to avoid medication if possible. He had me schedule a doctor's appointment to rule out biological causes for my headaches (which was another thing he seemed a little too fixated on - he seems to think they're a major problem, and I had trouble communicating to him that they're infrequent, only rarely last longer than a day or so, and are mostly clearly study headaches), which, being the Responsible Adult™ I am, I have yet to schedule. Our next appointment isn't until the 27th, though, so it's not like I don't have time. XD

Tuesday was a big day - Paper of Doom due, Counseling Appointment Round One, and my last official HoME class! It was basically a wrap party - we covered a lot of little snippets that had fallen by the wayside: Hobbit evolution, 1,001 Reasons Why Galadriel Is Better Than You, and we even went through some LotR poetry to pick out the "cats of Queen Beruthiel"-style references, now that we can be relied upon to know what we're talking about. Every week, someone either submits a one-page reaction paper or brings some discussion questions into class, all to keep us honest, and this week was mine. I only had one page, but I spent the whole time blabbering about all the reasons Galadriel is awesome, which mostly ended up being how she fits into Tolkien's schema for antiheroes (or just general Silmarillion-era heroes) - the initial flaws later working out to a net benefit (that is, when they don't lead to self-destruction, a lá Fëanor or Gollum), the mixed parentage (when we were on the Eärendil chapter, Memo made the excellent point that Elrond and Elros were pretty much required to do something spectacular, since they had the blood of literally every single family of note, both Eldar and Edain, that had been mentioned), and the sort of quiet, melancholy that could be atonement, contemplation, or both. And I was sorely tempted to title my paper Galadriel Don't Need No Man, because Celeborn was just useless - he was racist (speciesist?) towards the dwarves when Galadriel wanted to make friends, listened to Saruman when Galadriel listened to Gandalf, and just generally wasn't an awful lot of help. There's technically going to be class next week, but we're just going to be watching the Bakshi The Hobbit (which I generally rather dislike, but I do remember thinking that the goblins' song when they're burning the tree the dwarves and Bilbo are trapped in was pretty neat). And then, the week after that is the HOBBIT PROMO PARTY!!! Turns out it'll be on the 27th, probably around 6ish (that's when our class usually is), and all comers are welcome. I'm still pretty much in a state of squee that this is actually happening - I'm not sure whether I'm going to dress up yet, but I'm actually considering going out, buying a flowy white dress/black wig/fake flowers/fake birds (if I can find any), sending for my cloak (and maybe my stuffed dog) from home, and going as Lúthien. On a related note, I also haven't bought my Hobbit ticket yet - it's at 12:00 AM Dec. 14, and my last final is at 8:00 AM, so I'm struggling with whether the guilt of losing all that study/sleep time will ruin my enjoyment of Mr. Baggins & Co. TBH, it probably will, so I'll most likely end up seeing it after I get out of my final. Which I know means I'll lose a little geek cred, but I do hate the feeling of being unprepared for tests, especially finals.


And that was pretty much the only interesting thing to happen to me all week.


In other news: dudes, I can haz makeup! I got some very good pointers from [livejournal.com profile] ikel89[livejournal.com profile] brit_columbia, and AD, and although I don't think I'll ever be a pro, in my own humble opinion, I look AWESOME. I mostly stick with lip goop and mascara, usually some eyeliner, too; I've learned not to mess around with eyeshadow, since it doesn't like me and I don't like it right back. I maybe add some blush if I'm feeling adventurous, but I find that Edith makes me look nicely Romantic and mysterious without any, so blush is reserved largely for non-Edith days. And, of course, my mad spree of shopping has now ended, leaving me several nice shirts, a brace of skirts richer, three pairs of stockings and one of knee socks, Edith, a long knitted coat, and a lovely pair of boots richer, so that's nice, too. Re-girlfication: 100% complete! ...Normally this is where a long, self-indulgent set of photos of me smiling awkwardly and trying not to glare at the camera would be, but, as it turns out, the cable for my camera is still back in Sebastopol, and the ones from my cameraphone look like ass. Seriously, I look like one of the characters from that awful Jhereg graphic novel, all orange and lumpy and for some reason extremely angry. So this is basically a place-holder - I'm messing around with Instagram, which I've heard good things about, but until then, I feel pretty, oh so pretty, all shall love me and despair, if y'all were unwed you would take me in a manly fashion, etc.


In *other* other news, this has been picking me up during my down phases all week, so I thought I'd share it with you guys: pretty much the most perfect encapsulation of why Doctor Who is the perfect geek show, delivered by none other than Craig Ferguson himself! I dunno why this always makes me smile, but it's A) funny as hell, and B) the way I explain Doctor Who, in all its silly, campy, wibbly-wobbly-continuitied glory, to non-Whovians (and prospective Whovians), and most of them I've shown it to seem to like it.

For this week's meme: apparently ask-and-ye-shall-receive ones are In. So shoot me a character, and I'll tell you:
- Why I like them:

- Why I don’t:
- Favorite scene:
- Favorite line:
- Favorite outfit:
- OTP:
- BROTP: 
- Headcanon:
- Unpopular opinion:
- A wish:
- An oh-god-please-don’t-ever-happen:
- 5 words to best describe them:
- My nickname for them:

Date: 2012-11-17 06:05 am (UTC)
hamsterwoman: (Default)
From: [personal profile] hamsterwoman
I hate yams/sweet potatoes, pecans, pumpkin, and most things that involve cranberries

Awww, that really would make traditional Thanksgiving not a lot of fun. (On the contrary, I don't care about Thankgsiving as a holiday, but I love sweet potatoes, pumpkin flavored things, pecans, and cranberries, so I still enjoy the foods :)

iced milk with honey and cinnamon

Ooh, that sounds good! Glad to hear it turned out well, too!

The Three Musketeers movie of my heart is the Soviet musical version (talk about campy!), and it is also the metric against each Athos, from the canonical Dumas one to Aerich, is measured (and falls short), but the 1993 movie sounds pretty fun, too, especially in your renditions. Maybe I ought to make a point of tracking it down...

I'm sorry to hear the counseling appointment was more annoying than useful. I hope they get more valuable from here on?

But: "Styffindor" is an awesome portmanteau!

1,001 Reasons Why Galadriel Is Better Than You,

LOL, that could be a semester class all on its own :P I hated Celeborn when I first read LotR, for all the reasons of bigotry and uselessness you mention, and he was actually one of the principal badguys in the self-insert fic my friend R and I made up as teens. But as we did that, I actually kind of got to liking Celeborn in all his uselessness -- it's just kind of hilarious to what extent Galadriel wears the pants in that relationship...

I was similarly amused by Bakshi's LotR. I do genuinely like the goblin song, but most of the rest of it is just kind of unintentionally hilarious.

I definitely think you'll enjoy the movie (and probably the final, too :P) more if you go see it after your final rather than the night before. I would think of it as a post-final treat!

Looking forward to the post-regirlification photos when you get a workable camera solution! Meanwhile, I will just enjoy all those geeky references in the placeholder :)

For the meme: hmm, how about Thomas Raith? (And if you want more, Loras Tyrell, Sam Vimes, and Vlad Taltos.)

Date: 2012-11-17 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunasariel.livejournal.com
Awww, that really would make traditional Thanksgiving not a lot of fun.
Eh, a lot of it is just me being grinchy. XD But the cranberry thing stems from a concoction called cranberry fluff that my grandmother used to make, and we were all more or less required to live it, and I could never stand it (it had this really weird, gritty texture).

The Three Musketeers movie of my heart is the Soviet musical version (talk about campy!)
As a Stark, I used to be of the opinion that anything from over, say, about a hundred years ago is a GREAT WORK OF LITERATURE and DESERVES A RESPECTFUL AND ACCURATE TREATMENT from filmakers, but I've sense come to love me some camp, especially where TTM is concerned - there are so many campy adaptions (I regret not seeing the one you went to see in theaters last spring [at least I think it was last spring?], for example), and they, on the whole, are things of beauty.

I hope they get more valuable from here on?
Me, too. I guess, as a layperson, I have very little understanding of how psychology actually works, and may have subconsciously gone in with a "instantly read my mind and cure me in half an hour with your magical voodoo powers!" mentality, so I may be being a little unfairly critical of the guy, but, yeah, valuableness would be good.

"Styffindor" is an awesome portmanteau!
Thanks! I iniitally typed it "Stiffindor" for some reason, which sounds vaguely wrong. XD

it's just kind of hilarious to what extent Galadriel wears the pants in that relationship
LOL, definitely! In fact, aside from, like, participating in a battle once, I don't think Celeborn ever does anything of note. And, LOL again, the idea of villain!Celeborn is certainly an interesting one. If I had space in my mini-paper, I would have compared Galadriel/Celeborn to Melian/Thingol, where the woman is clearly the more powerful of the two, and also slightly creepy, and he pretty much follows her orders. But Thingol is a lot more active (even if it is mostly destructive action, like kicking off the whole elves vs. dwarves thing, he at least gets Beren's quest for the Silmaril going and treats Túrin decently) than Celeborn, in the sense that he actually, y'know, does stuff.

how about Thomas Raith? (And if you want more, Loras Tyrell, Sam Vimes, and Vlad Taltos.)
:D You are a gem! (Answers to come.)

Thomas Raith, part 1

Date: 2012-11-17 09:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunasariel.livejournal.com
Thomas Raith
Why I like them: Oh, for a lot of reasons. Because he’s not the Angel model of vampire-with-a-soul where he’s unwaveringly noble and good, but he ain’t Lestat, either. Because of his relationship with Harry, which is honestly one of my favorite in the series (I don’t ship Thomas/Harry outright, but I’m not against it, either). Because of his relationship with Justine, which I originally didn’t like when she was kind of loopy, but now that she’s smart and sassy and under Lara’s wing, I like her a lot better (although I still don’t get the weird metaphysical threesome thing introduced in the last book). Because he’s a Woobie, but doesn’t sit around bewailing his curséd existence all the damn time. He’s snarky and fun and works well in a nakama. …Andhe’skindahotwhenhe’sevil.

Why I don’t: When you get right down to it, he’s kinda silly. Like, he’s a half-vampire half-wizard whose superpower is being sexy, and he totes around a big-ass sword and a kukri and has a Tragic Romance That Can Never Be…he pings pretty much every post-Rice vampire trope there is. Except this kinda cycles around into being a plus again, because he gleefully breaks the fourth wall about the whole thing and, most importantly, actually tries to do something about it instead of sitting around whinging. Oh, and I find the author’s attitude towards his incubus powers and how women just can’t control themselves and fling themselves at him, and how awful that is for him, etc. a little problematic, but, say what you will about the Shagnasty incident, at least it means that this is no longer a problem.

Favorite episode: Oh, jeez, definitely time for a re-read – I can only remember a few distinct scenes, like his introduction at the costume party or when he gives Harry the keys to the Water Beetle, but I just have this generalized image of him either running around having adventures with the gang or chilling with Harry.

Favorite line: Ditto above-comments re: re-reads, but I do remember loving that conversation about how they all scan onto the Fellowship of the Ring in Changes, especially, as well as I can remember, this part:
Thomas: And Murphy is clearly Gi-
Murphy: Finish that sentence and I will literally make you eat that stupid mop of hair, conditioner and all.
Thomas: Yes ma’am.

Favorite outfit: Nothing. I actually can’t remember any particular outfits of his, but I always imagine him wearing a frilly white shirt, black pants, and boots, because A) it would look awesome on him, and B) he would totally play up the sexy vampire angle if called upon to do so.

OTP: Thomas/Justine sort of by default, but I’m not actually all that invested in it. I like it mostly in a “I’m happy that they’re happy” kind of way, and I can’t really see either of them with anybody else (although in an AU where Justine is long dead or never met Thomas at all, I could easily see my way to Thomas/Molly). I suspect that this is just an offshoot of a larger issue, though – I don’t really like any of the relationships that Butcher writes, the way he writes them. like, I’ve been rooting against Harry/Murphy for a good long time (this *cannot* end well), Harry/Elaine was always doomed to failure, and. Thomas/Justine is too typical a vampire/human relationship. I would like Molly/Carlos if they actually got any screentime/development, though, because they would be awesome together, and I do like Michael/Charity as a background ‘ship where they’ve got a solid relationship and are good parents, in an Official Couple kind of way.

Re: Thomas Raith, part 2

Date: 2012-11-17 09:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunasariel.livejournal.com
BROTP: Thomas&Harry 4EVA! Like I said above, this is probably my favorite relationship still existing – I love the way they snark at and tease each other, but still go into “RAAR DON’T TOUCH MY BROTHER” protective mode if either of them get into serious trouble. I love that they actually hang out, and that they can get each other to talk about things that they’d otherwise clam up about, like Harry’s Murphy issues or Thomas’ Justine issues. And, of course, they’re just hilarious – competing over cars and getting mistaken for a couple and rolling their eyes at each other’s particular brands of stupidity, intentional or not. And then there’s always the apartment incident, which nobody will ever let them live down. XD

Headcanon: He reads all the vampire books he can get his hands on; the trashier the better. He seekritly enjoys Anne Rice for her melodrama but is openly contemptuous of her, because Vampires Don’t Work Like That. His favorite is Vampire Kisses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire_Kisses_(series)), though, which is just about as deliciously stupid as you can get. Oh, and he hosts the best Twilight sporkings ever.

Unpopular opinion: I’m not in the Dresden Files fandom all that much, so I can’t judge how popular or not this opinion is, but, like I said above, I’m really not all that invested in Thomas/Justine. Like, if she could just be Anthea to Lara’s Mycroft and Thomas could go have adventures with the gang without either of them getting all broken up about it, that would suit me just dandy.

A wish: Reconciliation and brohug for him and Harry! Actually, just him knowing that Harry is alive, and possibly helping him get out of the Winter Knight gig.

An oh-god-please-don’t-ever-happen: Please don’t die? And please don’t stay evil/have to go up against Harry?

5 words to best describe them: Sexy and he knows it.

My nickname for them: Glitterpire.
Edited Date: 2012-11-17 09:44 pm (UTC)

Re: Thomas Raith, part 2

Date: 2012-11-18 07:31 am (UTC)
hamsterwoman: (Dresden Files -- Thomas Raith (MB))
From: [personal profile] hamsterwoman
Also attaching the answer to the previous comment here, too, 'cos it's quite short:

I regret not seeing the one you went to see in theaters last spring

I think the campy/crazy Musketeers movie from last year is worth watching on video, too. I found it to be a lot of ridiculous fun.

I would have compared Galadriel/Celeborn to Melian/Thingol

I always connect Celeborn and Thingol mentally, too -- very much the same vibe, less tolerant and also less powerful than the women they married.

Very much enjoyed your Thomas thoughts! Harry and Thomas are the fundamental relationship of the series for me, too. And, oddly enough, I have the same mental image for Thomas's outfit (and no disagreement with your first answer, either XP) And your "five words" made me LOL XD

I don’t really like any of the relationships that Butcher writes, the way he writes them

Sadly, agreed. I actually used to like the idea of Harry/Murphy, but by now I just expect Butcher to screw it up when and if he gets it beyond UST, so I've preemptively stopped shipping it, because I just know it's going to suck :/

Oh, and he hosts the best Twilight sporkings ever.

LOL, I love all of your Thomas headcanon, but especially the Twilight sporking bit XD

if she could just be Anthea to Lara’s Mycroft

Now there's an intriguing idea!

Re: Thomas Raith, part 2

Date: 2012-11-18 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunasariel.livejournal.com
Harry and Thomas are the fundamental relationship of the series for me, too.
*fistbump* I find that JB does platonic relationships decently, but not so much on the romantic ones, which is one of the reasons I'm pissed that he's angling for Harry/Murphy as opposed to Harry&Murpy, because, yeah, *that's* going to end well. XP < / sarcasm>

And, oddly enough, I have the same mental image for Thomas's outfit (and no disagreement with your first answer, either XP)
Ah, sweet validation! I mean, he would look good in just about anything (or, y'know, not ;) ), but I always default to him in the classic sexy vampire getup.

And your "five words" made me LOL
Oh, you know that's Harry's ringtone for him (or it would be, if Harry listened to more modern music and actually had a cellphone that worked for more than five minutes. XD)

Re: Thomas Raith, part 2

Date: 2012-11-19 05:28 am (UTC)
hamsterwoman: (Dresden Files -- building on fire quote)
From: [personal profile] hamsterwoman
that's Harry's ringtone for him (or it would be, if Harry listened to more modern music and actually had a cellphone that worked for more than five minutes

Headcanon accepted XD

Loras Tyrell part 1

Date: 2012-11-18 03:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunasariel.livejournal.com
Why I like them: Well, because he’s a Tyrell, first and foremost, and is thus either a non-dysfunctional Lannister or a non-headdesk-inducing Stark (ok, maybe not so much a Stark, but still). Because he really is as good as he says he is, which goes a long way in my book. Because he’s genuinely, unselfishly, completely head-over-heels stupid crazy in love, and is a better person for it. Because he’s way smarter than he looks. And because even his negative qualities (arrogance, selfishness, having a…flexible attitude towards the truth); he is more than the sum of his parts. Oh, and he manages to maintain so many good qualities without getting bitten in the ass for them by a certain willingness (and, what’s more, a certain ability) to kick seven kinds of crap out of anybody who takes his loyalty or love or (admittedly rare) kindness for weakness.

Why I don’t: I think I would hate him just a little if I knew him IRL. I would get mad at him for mocking Brienne, and I tend to get all clammed-up and defensive around aggressively pretty people like him, and I would just generally find his bragging and flourishes and cockiness annoying, and his histrionics wearing.

Favorite episode: The whole Tourney of the Hand thing. This was one of the things where I feel that the show got more right than wrong. I mean, everything was perfect: Ned was all “WHAT ARE YOUR INTENTIONS TOWARDS MY DAUGHTER, SER? >:|” and Sansa was all “OMG he gave me a rose he’s talking to me what do I do eeeeeeeeeee!!!111! :D :D :D” and Renly is all *kissy lips* ;) and Loras, knight of summer that he is, is all ;D at all and sundry, and Petyr is just laughing at everybody back in the corner. (I mean, I could have done without Cersei’s beehive wig and the weird mat of twigs, but minor quibbles.)

Favorite line: “I will never betray Renly, by word or by deed…He was the best of them, he was the king that should have been.” B’AWWWWWWWW!

Favorite outfit: LOL, when I first saw this question, I thought it was random as hell, but for a Tyrell, it totally works. For Loras, it would have to be his Tourney of the Hand costume – the blanket of roses for his horse, the completely over-the-top cloak of forget-me-nots, the shiny flowery armor, and, at least on the show, the infamous Onion Helm. XD
Edited Date: 2012-11-18 03:13 am (UTC)

Loras Tyrell, part 2

Date: 2012-11-18 03:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunasariel.livejournal.com
OTP: Loras/Butterbumps: the great tragic romance that could never be! ;P

BROTP: This is a literal BROTP, but I really wish we got more interactions between the Tyrell brothers – there’s quite a bit implied, but nothing actually on paper. Like, I would have loved to see Garlan make the decision to wear Renly’s armor because it was too big for Loras not because he had any particular attachment to the cause he was fighting for, but for his brother's sake. I imagine that it would have been really rough for Garlan seeing his baby brother grieving, and Loras, of course, would be freaking out because he literally can’t fill Renly’s boots.

Headcanon: Loras and Jaime had some rival-y UST going on even before Renly’s death, but neither of them really noticed it because they were both already a little obsessed with other people. But Renly and Cersei sure noticed it, which led to Cersei being bitchier than usual to Loras (who didn’t pick up on this, thinking that it was a mixture of the usual Lannister bitchiness and her being ~jealous of how wealthy and powerful and fabulous the Tyrells are), and to Renly teasing Loras about inviting Jaime to bed with them, which made Loras kind of uncomfortably aroused, so he joked it away by replying that inviting Jaime would mean that they would have to invite Cersei, which, no.

Unpopular opinion: Hmm…I’m not sure how popular the Ser Still Pretty theory is, so maybe that? Otherwise, though, I don’t think I have any – I love the fluffy little critter to pieces. I mean, I think about him and Renly waaaaay too much, so I probably have a lot of unpopular-in-the-sense-that-nobody-else-is-this-obsessed opinions, but that’s about it.

A wish: SER STILL PRETTY!

An oh-god-please-don’t-ever-happen: I really, really don’t want it to be revealed that he and Renly had the typical Westeros relationship, all squick and dubcon-y overtones and mutual convenience and no love at all. I don’t really think that his family (who, of course, would have known about it straight off) would have allowed him to remain in a relationship where he was being used, but still, GRRM does have a propensity for taking these Epic Romances and making them, if generally still epic, then not in the least romantic.

5 words to best describe them: Secret sweetie, arrogant little shit.

My nickname for them: Ser Still Pretty, of course!

Re: Loras Tyrell, part 2

Date: 2012-11-18 07:36 am (UTC)
hamsterwoman: (ASOIAF -- Renly's ghost)
From: [personal profile] hamsterwoman
Like you, I think Loras is someone who would annoy me quite a bit IRL, while I adore him as a character.

Agreed on the show getting the ToH hand scene very well (it's probably my favorite scene in terms of adaptation), and the outfit question being made for a Tyrell :)

OTP: Loras/Butterbumps: the great tragic romance that could never be! ;P

Of course! I expected nothing less :D

I would have loved to see Garlan make the decision to wear Renly’s armor

Seconding this so hard! And the desire to see Tyrell sibling relationships more in general. But Garlan and Loras especially intrigue me, since they seem the most alike of the sibs in terms of interests and skills.

Loras and Jaime had some rival-y UST going on even before Renly’s death, but neither of them really noticed it because they were both already a little obsessed with other people

Mmmm, I quite like this headcanon! ;)

Secret sweetie, arrogant little shit

LOL XD That about says it all, really.

Re: Loras Tyrell, part 2

Date: 2012-11-18 11:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunasariel.livejournal.com
(it's probably my favorite scene in terms of adaptation)
Mine, too. I know I grouse about the show a lot (and, to be fair, they do screw up some fairly significant things), but sometimes, like here, they Get It Right.

Of course! I expected nothing less :D
What else could it be? You know what a huge Loras/Butterbumps shipper I am. It's so tragic that their love will never be known to the world! *sob*

Garlan and Loras especially intrigue me, since they seem the most alike of the sibs in terms of interests and skills.
Just so. Of course they're all very close to each other, but Margaery's gender and Willas' disability would mean that Garlan and Loras would physically spend the most time together, and I have a feeling that Loras models his shiny straight-out-of-a-singer's-tale Knight of Flowers persona after Garlan, who actually is that nice (if a little less showy).

Re: Loras Tyrell, part 2

Date: 2012-11-19 07:02 am (UTC)
hamsterwoman: (ASOIAF -- Renly's ghost)
From: [personal profile] hamsterwoman
I have a feeling that Loras models his shiny straight-out-of-a-singer's-tale Knight of Flowers persona after Garlan, who actually is that nice (if a little less showy).

This makes a lot of sense to me, too. In general, I really love the way Loras and Garlan constantly talk each other up -- it seems like a really sweet relationship.

Re: Loras Tyrell part 1

Date: 2012-11-19 09:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ikel89.livejournal.com
Ned was all “WHAT ARE YOUR INTENTIONS TOWARDS MY DAUGHTER, SER? >:|” and Sansa was all “OMG he gave me a rose he’s talking to me what do I do eeeeeeeeeee!!!111! :D :D :D” and Renly is all *kissy lips* ;) and Loras, knight of summer that he is, is all ;D at all and sundry, and Petyr is just laughing at everybody back in the corner.
Can I just sign up to you recapping every show and book evah? I'm loving it!:D And as usual, you love for the characters shines through beautifully:)

Re: Loras Tyrell part 1

Date: 2012-11-20 02:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunasariel.livejournal.com
*sweeping bow* And thanks! Irreverent retellings of SRSBZNZ works of fiction keeps me out of trouble, at least. XD

Sam Vimes

Date: 2012-11-18 10:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunasariel.livejournal.com
Why I like them: Because he’s Samuel Goddamn Vimes, y’all. He’s a deeply, deeply damaged person – prejudiced and stubborn and sometimes just not all that bright – but he’s got this bone-deep strength, this conviction that there is Right and there is Wrong, and if you come down on the side of Wrong, then you’d better watch the hell out. As he’s so fond of pointing out, he’s basically just this kid from Brooklyn Cockbill Street, who, through a combination of luck, bull-headedness, and a certain willingness to go for the unmentionables, has made it big. He’s drastically unimpressed with the fictitious Great and Powerful and with the equally fictitious Virtuous Poor. Also, he’s pretty much a living legend; I mean, how many other people can say they’ve arrested a dragon, the Patrician, two competing armies (for malicious loitering), and a quasi-demonic supernatural force of vengeance, and still make it home precisely at six o’clock to read Where’s My Cow to his son every day? Oh, and he’s both an unmitigated badass and funny as hell – I loved his grumbling about how the Assassin’s Guild will no longer take contracts on him, because dammit, he was having fun with them.

Why I don’t: I wasn’t particularly fond of his propensity for action hero-like mid-fight monologuing that he developed in Snuff, because that was just weird.

Favorite episode: Overall, I liked The Fifth Elephant best. Sibyl got a badass moment of her own, there were werewolves and Lady Margolotta and cool dwarf politics, and Sam got to do what he does best – solve mysteries and piss off people who think they deserve a lot more respect than they do. But if we’re talking about a specific *scene*, the first one that comes to mind is that one in…Jingo, was it, where the Concerned Citizens tried to remove him from power by making him relapse into alcoholism, and for a minute it looked like they had succeeded, until he revealed that it was all a Batman Gambit and he had been playing them all along. Because that’s how His Grace, the Duke of Ankh, Commander Sir Samuel Vimes, Blackboard Monitor rolls. (Note: runners-up include the entire procession scene, also from Jingo [I think], from him complaining about the ruby tights to everybody mimicking his proceeding and “THAT IS NOT MY COW.”)

Favorite line: Most of his lines that I can think of are only funny in context, so the best one I can come up with is “We work as a team and we’re pretty much making it up as we go along, and half the time we’re not even certain what the law is, so it can get interesting,” which is a pretty apt description of any given Watch book.

Favorite outfit: The ruby tights/shiny breastplate/helmet with a feather in it/baton dealybob ensemble. Because, lol.

OTP: Sam/Sibyl – accept no substitutes! I pretty much fell in love with them when he gallantly tried to carry her away from the dragon in Guards! Guards! and pretty much pitched over right away, but eventually she returned to consciousness enough for them to make it away okay together, which pretty much set the tone for their relationship from there on out. I love all the little things about them, like that she’s a terrible cook, but that’s okay, because burnt eggs and bacon is just the kind of food he prefers anyway, and that she worries deeply about him but doesn’t try to keep him from doing his job (well, most of what he defines as “his job,” anyway), and they’re just generally a great team, each powerful in their own way (she with the Ladies Who Organize and he with the Watch), but together they’re pretty much unstoppable. Oh, and they’re great parents, too.

Sam Vimes, part 2

Date: 2012-11-18 10:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunasariel.livejournal.com
BROTP: Vimes&Vetinari, in a weird way. Like, Vimes&Colon&Nobby(& Carrot, maybe) give me all sorts of warm fuzzies, since they’ve all been there since the beginning and have earned the right to call him not just “Commander Vimes,” not even just “Mr. Vimes,” but “Sam,” which, d’awwwww. But I find that Vimes and Vetinari have a really interesting dynamic – it’s been remarked upon before how similar they are, how, in a weird way, they understand each other all too well, and how they’ve been driving each other nuts for so long that they’ve almost circled around into being friends. I also love their tradition of sitting down after Vimes and/or the Watch in general has saved the city and/or the Disc and/or the known universe yet again, and he always asks for, like, a new dartboard or something, and walks out with another damn title. XD Oh, and like we’ve been talking about, I find it hilarious how weirded out Sam is by Sibyl calling the Patrician “Havelock,” and how weirded out he will be when Young Sam starts doing the same.

Headcanon: When the Assassins’s Guilt stopped making serious attempts and started sending trainees who needed taking down a peg, or maybe even before that, Sam (with some prompting from Sibyl about how they never feed growing boys and girls enough at school) starts leaving snacks in the more common hiding spots. Sometimes these snacks are laced with something uncomfortable but non-lethal, and sometimes they aren’t, depending on what kind of a day Sam has had.

Unpopular opinion: Like with the Dresden Files, I’m not really in the Discworld fandom, so I can’t really tell what’s popular and what isn’t, but I really liked Thud!, although it had its flaws. The assassination attempt at Vimes’ house was honestly one of my favorite scenes in the whole series – how close Vimes came to letting the Summoning Dark take over when he thought something had happened to Young Sam, and the CMoH of Young Sam and Sibyl being safe at Pseudopolis Yard (although, to the horror of all and sundry, Sibyl cleaned the tea urn), and I found the mystery decently engaging (especially the continued antics of Colon and Nobby: World’s Greatest Detectives). A.E. Pessimal was also a good new addition, as was the whole Where’s My Cow? thing (and associated Vimes family vignettes), and the “THAT IS NOT MY COW!” bit at the end was both a CMoH, CMoA, and quite creepy.

A wish: Sam Vimes to meet Granny Weatherwax and team up to defeat the evil du jour. Because it would be *awesome*, especially if they brought their respective nakamas along with them – Nanny and Nobby would get along like a house on fire (come to think of it, so would Nanny and Colon), Carrot and Magrat could be painfully earnest at each other, I think Cheery and Agnes would get along great (I’m not entirely sure why), and, if she still counts as one of Granny’s gang, Tiffany and the Feegles would just have fun with everything (and would be a little disconcerted at Sibyl’s attempts to mother her).

An oh-god-please-don’t-ever-happen: This is more of an oh-god-please-don’t-continue, but that monologuing thing in Snuff really bugged me. Like, not only did it detract from the flow of the action sequence, but it reminded me uncomfortably of how Vimes didn’t toss off a snappy one-liner after killing Wolfgang von Uberwald “because that would make it murder.” I mean, I can see how he was going for a nod towards the Bruce Willis school of older action heroes, but it really didn’t work for me.

5 words to best describe them: Suspicious bastard, copper, husband, father.

My nickname for them: Commander Tightpants. I’M NOT SORRY.

Re: Sam Vimes, part 2

Date: 2012-11-19 07:11 am (UTC)
hamsterwoman: (Default)
From: [personal profile] hamsterwoman
Overall, I liked The Fifth Elephant best

That one's probably my favorite, too. Well, I love Night Watch too, maybe even more, but it's an odd book because of the time-travel stuff, so I feel like The Fifth Elephant is more quintessential Vimes. That was the book that made me fall in love with Discworld as opposed to simply liking the series.

“We work as a team and we’re pretty much making it up as we go along, and half the time we’re not even certain what the law is, so it can get interesting,”

That one's very much one of my favorites, too. Although my favorite-favorite is the one in the icon :) (Very handy sentiment, that.)

Sybil/Sam is love, of course. And I'm with you on the Vimes & Vetinari brOTP, for all the reasons you mention :D

Sometimes these snacks are laced with something uncomfortable but non-lethal, and sometimes they aren’t, depending on what kind of a day Sam has had

XD I could totally see this, actually!

and the “THAT IS NOT MY COW!” bit at the end was both a CMoH, CMoA, and quite creepy

Definitely one of the most powerful scenes in the series, IMO! I liked Thud! well enough, though I think it suffers some by following Night Watch. A E Pessimal didn't do much for me, though I kind of liked the idea, but all of the Vimes family and Where's My Cow? bits did beautifully -- especially the various Watchmen doing voices for the book, because AWWWW.

Sam Vimes to meet Granny Weatherwax

Yes plz! I'm not sure how well they would get along to start with, because they are both very much used to being in charge, but the time is probably ripe for such a meeting now -- Granny's been letting Tiffany to have a lot of autonomy, and Vimes has learned to respect local knowledge in Snuff, so they could actually cooperate now, conceivably :) And Nanny and Colon & Nobby interaction would by HI-larious, to be sure.

Commander Tightpants

*snerk*

Re: Sam Vimes, part 2

Date: 2012-11-20 02:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunasariel.livejournal.com
I love Night Watch too, maybe even more, but it's an odd book because of the time-travel stuff
Yup! Night Watch is definitely one of the best-written Discworld books, but it's so dark that I don't go back to it as often as the fluffier, more straight-up humorous ones. And I'm not sure about the IRL timeline, but all the stuff about not being able to trust one's memories and aging and dying and whatnot makes me think that this was written around the time PTerry found out about his Alzheimer's, so there's an added layer of :_(

Although my favorite-favorite is the one in the icon :)
Heh, that one was definitely in the running! Although, oddly enough, I now associate that one more with you than with Vimes. XD

especially the various Watchmen doing voices for the book, because AWWWW.
AWWWW indeed, I'd forgotten about that bit! :) And agreed that anything coming on the heels of Night Watch would have to look a little shabby by comparison, it has to be said.

I'm not sure how well they would get along to start with, because they are both very much used to being in charge
Oh, definitely! And a lot of it would depend on where the meetup takes place - if it's in Ankh-Morpork, then Granny will already have her hackles up, because city folks, and if it's in Lancre, then Vimes will already have *his* hackles up, because country folks. ('Course, if it's in some third location, then they're both probably already pissed off at someone else.) I'm actually starting to think that PTerry is planning this for his last novel, or at least the beginning of the end - I'm sure people have been asking for this *forever*.

Re: Sam Vimes, part 2

Date: 2012-11-20 04:42 am (UTC)
hamsterwoman: (DW -- Vimes quote)
From: [personal profile] hamsterwoman
I think I read somewhere that even when he was writing Nation he did not yet have the diagnosis, but I might be making that up (or whoever had written that wherever I read it might have been). That said, regardless if conscious or not, I do think The Night Watch has that feeling in retrospect.

Although, oddly enough, I now associate that one more with you than with Vimes. XD

LOL, well, I'm certainly flattered. I wish I could muster the "arseholes to the lot of them" feeling as effortlessly as Old Stoneface XD

I would love to see Granny and Vimes meeting before the series runs its course! Or Granny and Vetinari. Possibly even Granny and Moist, although there is something in a different canon which has a similar feel to this latter. Of course, I kind of wish that happened when PTerry was at the height of his form, because his Vetinari is getting a bit odd for me, but I'll happily take whatever he chooses to give us in that vein.

Re: Sam Vimes, part 2

Date: 2012-11-19 09:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ikel89.livejournal.com
Your headcanon is just brilliant:DD and naturally I agree with all the Vimes love! He wasn't my first character to love (tbh, my reading order was the most messed up for the City Watch, I read some middle books first and then hopped between earlier and later once - depending on which book I saw and bought first), but later on he grew on me. The Night Watch just broke my heart into bazillion pieces and then glued itself back, cementic my Vimes feels.

Re: Sam Vimes, part 2

Date: 2012-11-20 02:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunasariel.livejournal.com
Hee, thanks! And totally agreed on the heartbreakingness of Night Watch - I was just saying above how I'm not sure how the IRL timeline works out, but all the bits about being unable to trust one's memories, losing time, the inevitability of death, etc. all made me think that it was about this time PTerry found out about his Alzheimer's, so that's always an added layer of sobworthyness to the whole thing.

Vlad Taltos, part 1

Date: 2012-11-23 06:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunasariel.livejournal.com
Why I like them: Because he’s basically Harry Dresden – a powerful, scrappy smartass who’s intensely protective of those around him or those under his service, and not always strictly on the right side of the law. I love how irreverent he is about the fact that he’s hanging out with living legends and actually speaks to gods on a fairly regular basis. Oh, and I love the relationships that tend to form around him: his deliciously ambiguous (b)romance with Morrolan, his genuinely very sweet relationship with Noish-pa, his and Kragar’s Jeeves & Wooster routine, and, of course, whatever one calls whatever he has going on with Loiosh, which is actually probably the single most important relationship in his life.

Why I don’t: His hint of chivalrousness and the way it blinded him to the growing problem with Cawti, but at least the narrative quite properly bit him in the butt for that one. Mostly, though, his elaborate, unreliable narration style is the kind of thing where a little of it goes a long way, and it frequently gets to the point, at least for me, where it impedes my ability to enjoy the story (which is generally how I distinguish between neat linguistic devices that enhance the novel in one way or another, and excessive look-ma-no-hands flourishes an author puts in to show off).

Favorite episode: Hmm…I’m going to have to say pretty much the entirety of Taltos, because it combines everything I love about him: the Deeds of Song and Legend that he can casually mention later on, the beginning of his (b)romance with Morrolan, ADVENTURE, HO!, the introduction of Dragaeran Iskierka with a giant-ass sword Aliera, and, of course, his levels of snark and the inadvisability of employing snark in any given situation rising proportionately.

Favorite line: "It suddenly flashed into my head to wonder if he and Sethra were currently or ever had been lovers. Now that was an interesting thought, and one that would probably come back to me on many cold nights-assuming, of course, that I would have the opportunity to have many cold nights." Because whiling away the cold and lonely nighttime hours by fantasizing about picturing one’s best friend’s sex life is a *totally* heterosexual and disinterested thing to do. Of course.

Favorite outfit: Erm, I guess his Jhereg uniform-type thing? I can’t recall him being much of a one for obsessively describing his clothes, or even thinking about them all that much. But I imagine he does look snappy in black and grey.

Vlad Taltos, part 2

Date: 2012-11-23 06:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunasariel.livejournal.com
OTP: Vlad/Morrolan, if that isn’t obvious. XD I was mostly interested in Vlad/Cawti when it was ending (and, TBH, I find Norathar/Cawti more interesting than Vlad/Cawti anyway), and Vlad/Morrolan is just the sort of thing I love – a snarky Battle Couple who bicker but have each other’s backs and can perform some fairly epic feats together.

BROTP: Vlad&Noish-pa, if this counts. I just really like the way they relate to each other – Noish-pa is pretty much the only person alive (aside from Lady Teldra, interestingly enough) that Vlad works hard to please and goes out of his way to stay in their good graces not because it would be somehow advantageous for him, but because he likes them and can’t stand being thought ill of by them. And I like that Noish-pa genuinely has Vlad’s best interest at heart – he doesn’t approve of things like associating with “elfs” or Vlad’s job, but lets Vlad do his own thing. Oh, and it’s clear that Vlad’s badassery is hereditary (and I may or may not have Headcanon about old!Vlad way in the future, when he’s a legendary assassin [or just a legend in general] who keeps a bottle of Fenarian brandy in his cane instead of a sword A) because that’s what Noish-pa did, and B) because everybody expects him to keep a sword in there).

Headcanon (with thanks to [livejournal.com profile] hamsterwoman): Morrolan is basically the World’s Greatest Son-in-Law. After he got Noish-pa set up in the country, he pays periodic visits to make sure that everything is running smoothly, but ends up staying for hours, talking witchcraft. It takes away a lot of Noish-pa’s distrust of Dragaerans that one should have such a good understanding of witchcraft and be so respectful of him (of course, it helps that Morrolan was raised in the East). Oh, and Ambrus, with the unerring instinct of all cats, singles out Morrolan as both someone who wears a lot of black clothes that he’s terribly proud of and that doesn’t particularly like cats, and takes every opportunity to rub all over him, knead his lap, etc. Things get rather awkward when Vlad is around, though, since his and Morrolan’s relationship is fairly ambiguous to begin with, but also sure won’t be making no great-grandchildren (unless Aliera’s genetic experiments take a wholly unexpected turn, or some spell or other goes drastically wrong), so when they’re all sitting down to dinner together, the fact that Vlad and Morrolan are bumping uglies is hanging over all their heads, because Vlad and Morrolan would be wondering if Noish-pa knows, and if so, if he approves, and Noish-pa would be wondering how best to bring up that they’re being a little obvious without Vlad dying of embarrassment.

Unpopular opinion: Mostly the narration thing, I think.

A wish: Lots more Vlad & Team Dragon shenanigans. Like with the Dresden Files, I admit that I rather like the episodic books where a threat is set up, the gang heads out and deals with it, and then it’s over and done with.

An oh-god-please-don’t-ever-happen: I really, really hope that Loiosh doesn't get killed off, even for HIGH DRAMA! Because Vlad’s life kind of sucks anyway, but this would just be depressing

5 words to best describe them: Please shave your damn mustache.

My nickname for them: It’s actually more of a motto, but in my head, Vlad and the bit of doggerel “He who fights/and runs away,/lives to fight/another day” always go together.

Re: Vlad Taltos, part 2

Date: 2012-11-24 06:29 am (UTC)
hamsterwoman: (Dragaera -- no excuse for bad manners)
From: [personal profile] hamsterwoman
Because he’s basically Harry Dresden

Oh, interesting! I never really thought of it that way, beyond the fact that they both employ first person smartass narration (which I'm guessing is based on Corwin's narration of Chronicles of Amber in both cases), but you're right -- there are a lot more similarities than that, from starting out as underdogs and becoming increasingly powerful, to the inability to shut up in the face of powerful foes.

I’m going to have to say pretty much the entirety of Taltos

Good answer! :DD And this: "Dragaeran Iskierka with a giant-ass sword" is a very good characterization of Aliera, heh.

his levels of snark and the inadvisability of employing snark in any given situation rising proportionately

Hee! This is really the perfect description of the plot/dialogue in most Vlad books.

Because whiling away the cold and lonely nighttime hours by fantasizing about picturing one’s best friend’s sex life is a *totally* heterosexual and disinterested thing to do.

If I could get Brust to answer me one question about the series, I think I might ask him about that line and what he was trying to do with it. Of course, the answer is probably "trolling his fans", but...

I can’t recall him being much of a one for obsessively describing his clothes

Nope, or anybody else's really. Except Morrolan's cloak XP

I was mostly interested in Vlad/Cawti when it was ending (and, TBH, I find Norathar/Cawti more interesting than Vlad/Cawti anyway)

I feel the same way about Vlad/Cawti -- I don't really care about them as a couple or feel much of anything for them when they're (presumably) happily married, but the disintegration of their marriage in Teckla is something I find both interesting and powerful.

And, yeah, Cawti and Norathar are kind of incredibly married. I really have a hard time seeing them as anything other than long-time lovers before Cawti met Vlad, and then picking up where they left off when Vlad and Cawti's relationship falls apart and Vlad takes off after Phoenix.

I have entirely accepted Ambrus shedding on Morrolan's robes into my Dragaera headcanon. And I very much like this bit, too: "B) because everybody expects him to keep a sword in there" :D (totally reasoning Vlad would employ).

Re: Vlad Taltos, part 2

Date: 2012-11-24 06:30 am (UTC)
hamsterwoman: (Dragaera -- Morrolan's attention)
From: [personal profile] hamsterwoman
because Vlad and Morrolan would be wondering if Noish-pa knows, and if so, if he approves, and Noish-pa would be wondering how best to bring up that they’re being a little obvious without Vlad dying of embarrassment

This is an angle of their relationship(s) I never gave much thought to, but it would make a really great (and hilarious) fic!

As always, I have entirely too much headcanon about this fandom in general, and on the subject of grandchildren/lack thereof -- IIRC, you know that Vlad and Cawti have a son (even though you haven't met him yet, I believe), so Noish-Pa has the great-grandson he wanted. I suspect Cawti has raised him to be distrustful of Dragaerans and especially Dragonlords, as oppressors (of course, Norathar is not included in that, but children really don't see such dichotomies as an issue, in my experience). So it would be really interesting to see Morrolan and Vlad's son interacting for the first time after Vlad and Morrolan's relationship goes to that next level (assuming that happens after the kid is born, of course). Morrolan strikes me as the sort of person who has no idea how to deal with children at all, so he just talks to/acts with them as he would with adults, which the boy is first puzzled by and then rather proud about.

(I have an even crackier, farther-out headcanon where Morrolan and Norathar get married because they both need heirs, thereby creating the most epic blended family ever, with Northar and Cawti and Morrolan and Vlad and Noish-Pa collaborating in and/or arguing about raising the resulting children. It's too bad that Vlad and Cawti's son would be all grown by then, but he can be the cool older brother, and Devera can be the cool older and/or younger cousin.)

I really, really hope that Loiosh doesn't get killed off

I really hope so, too, because, as you say, I do think it's the most important relationship for him. There's one line in Teckla, after Cawti walks out on him, that goes something like, "If Loiosh had said anything, I would've probably killed him", and nothing brings the gravity of the situation to me -- not Vlad considering murdering all of Cawti's revolutionaries, not Vlad contemplating suicide after breaking under torture -- like that one line.

Please shave your damn mustache.

XD

Re: Vlad Taltos, part 2

Date: 2012-11-24 10:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunasariel.livejournal.com
there are a lot more similarities than that, from starting out as underdogs and becoming increasingly powerful, to the inability to shut up in the face of powerful foes.
Yup! This was something that took me awhile to realize, but once I did, it was one of those cannot unsee things. I think it finally leapt out at me when I found out that he had a kid he didn't know about (ohai, Changes!), which, plus everything you point out, kinda got me a-thinkin'.

Except Morrolan's cloak XP
I'd forgotten about that! But now that you mention it, yeah, it does kinda make sense that the one article of clothing he describes at length is Morrolan's swirly cloak. XD

I totally agree with you about Norathar/Cawti (remember how hostile Norathar was to Vlad?), and that epically blended family sounds awesome! Heh, one can only imagine the arguments that would result vis á vis raising the kids, given that this family would be comprised of two Dragonlords and three Easterners (and I bet that Aliera wouldn't be able to resist shoving her oar in, either).

"If Loiosh had said anything, I would've probably killed him", and nothing brings the gravity of the situation to me
Ooh, I remember that one. It's one of those punch-in-the-stomach lines, like "O God, I wish I had not done it." And I completely agree that it did a great job of bringing home the gravity of the situation - this was one situation where Vlad's, er, wordy narration style really worked, because the hole its absence leaves really illustrates the emptiness/despair of the whole situation.

Re: Vlad Taltos, part 2

Date: 2012-11-25 12:23 am (UTC)
hamsterwoman: (Dragaera -- no excuse for bad manners)
From: [personal profile] hamsterwoman
he had a kid he didn't know about (ohai, Changes!),

Oh, right, there's also that! You've gotten me really curious whether Butcher has read any Brust, actually... I know he's supposed to be a Vorkosigan fanboy, Brust is -- his Roman Empire + Pokemon epic fantasy has a Battle Couple that, according to TV Tropes anyway, is meant to be an homage to Cordelia and Aral, although, IMO, they are nowhere near as awesome. 'Cos, in addition to all the similarities between Harry and Vlad you have just pointed out, Marcone would feel right at home among the upper echelons of the Jhereg. (And Aliera and Murphy are both (relatively) pint-sized badasses, but that's probably reaching a fair bit for similarities.)

given that this family would be comprised of two Dragonlords and three Easterners (and I bet that Aliera wouldn't be able to resist shoving her oar in, either).

Oh, totally! I actually meant to include Aliera in there. So, three Dragonlords (none of whom are likely to agree on anything having to do with child-rearing -- or anything else), and three Easterners, t least two of which are quite likely to argue as well. Actually, thank goodness for Noish-Pa, because Vlad we know had a really dysfunctional childhood, and Norathar's was also quite tragic, given her parents' deaths, and Cawti has broken with her family entirely, which also implies nothing good to me, and while Aliera and Morrolan seem to have had fairly happy ones, they must've been quite non-standard, so, yeah, Noish-Pa is kind of the childrens' only hope of a sane upbringing.

It's one of those punch-in-the-stomach lines, like "O God, I wish I had not done it."

Yep, exactly -- for me too. And I agree with this too: "this was one situation where Vlad's, er, wordy narration style really worked, because the hole its absence leaves really illustrates the emptiness/despair of the whole situation"

I can totally see how you would find the narrative style a bug and not a feature (and I think one of the reasons that I've liked most of the books better on a reread is that it gets less in the way of understanding things when you already know what's going on), but I do think it sometimes is most effective at the things that aren't said and the jokes not made, like in that scene.

Re: Vlad Taltos, part 2

Date: 2012-11-25 09:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunasariel.livejournal.com
You've gotten me really curious whether Butcher has read any Brust, actually
Hmm, iiiinteresting! *chinstroke* Come to think of it, it wouldn't at all surprise me - it's the mix of gritty urban fantasy and high-flown epic/concept-y stuff that he seems to enjoy, and you're right, Marcone does feel very much like someone who would, er, appreciate the Jhereg business model!

Actually, thank goodness for Noish-Pa, [...] Noish-Pa is kind of the childrens' only hope of a sane upbringing.
LOL, yep, it would be pretty much Noish-pa (I was about to add "and Lady Teldra," but this would all probably happen after she died, so, probably not) doing the actual raising while Aliera and Norathar tried to produce a properly violent little Dragonlord while Cawti keeps going on about the oppression of Dragaerans, Vlad would be the cool uncle who really shouldn't be left alone with the kids, and Morrolan sort of only pays attention to them sporadically...so, yeah, Noish-pa really *would* be their only hope. XD

I do think it sometimes is most effective at the things that aren't said and the jokes not made, like in that scene.
Very well-said, my thoughts exactly!

Re: Vlad Taltos, part 2

Date: 2012-11-26 04:52 am (UTC)
hamsterwoman: (Dragaera -- Morrolan's attention)
From: [personal profile] hamsterwoman
Vlad would be the cool uncle who really shouldn't be left alone with the kids, and Morrolan sort of only pays attention to them sporadically...

Exactly!

Because even my cracky future/AU scenarios suffer from Too Much Headcanon in this universe, I have decided that Morrolan teaches these hypothetical children he has with Norathar witchcraft along with sorcery (and happily challenges to a duel anyone who claims it's odd for a young Dragonlord -- and Dragon Heir, at some point, since we know from the later Paarfi books that Norathar does become Empress at some point in the presumably not too distant future -- to be learning Eastern nonsense), and insists on the kids also learning witchcraft from Vlad and Noish-Pa.

Re: Vlad Taltos, part 2

Date: 2012-11-27 12:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunasariel.livejournal.com
I have decided that Morrolan teaches these hypothetical children he has with Norathar witchcraft along with sorcery (and happily challenges to a duel anyone who claims it's odd for a young Dragonlord [...] to be learning Eastern nonsense)
Headcanon accepted! :D These are going to be some pretty badass kids.
Edited Date: 2012-11-27 01:02 am (UTC)

Date: 2012-11-17 11:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ikel89.livejournal.com
Glad to hear your trip went mostly alright! The car trip with your friend sounds like a sad/awkward moment avioded, so that's good. And I totally agree with the orphaning quote - my grandpa passed away two years ago, and I saw how it affected my dad (and everyone else, basically - we all lived together until I moved away).

The coucelling guy sounds weird in your rendering (btw Styffindow=<3!), but that just might be us laymen not understanding how those things work? Anyway, I hope the sessions help you get over the problems (and you were right in addressing them!)

World's Biggest Spice Wimp LOL I'm complete opposite (and hate onions to boot XD)

Your recap of Three Musketeers is delightful! You should do more of those XD I haven't seen the version, just googled the pictures and damn, does Loras!d'Artagnan look gay (just like your Fai icon says=)

Heeh, hello the title of Galadriel Don't Need No Man, I've seen you already:) I think it's a very true statement XD Why was Celeborn necessary for that story, once again? Re:movie premier - you geek card will not suffer if you go see it after the finals, imo, it's a very geeky thing to do :)

Re:real life friends and LJ friends. I'm all for people communicating, in whatever form suits them best, and will defend internet friendship as a proper bond until I run out of breath and some more (and even extraverts have some friends that tire them out, at least I do, but they are more peripherial). For me lines get very blurry between rl and friends over the internets, tbh:)

SUPER GLAD to hear about the glorification (and all the ironic wording accompanying it is a treat!) - will be naturally looking forward to seeing photos, both for makeup and new clothes. Agree on eyeshadows incompatibility, and did you mind to find eyeliners in different colors? MY BODY IS READY FOR DESPAIRING IN A MANLY, MANLY FASHION *wriggles eyebrows*

Characters for meme: Catherine (Temeraire), Dany (asoiaf), Tiffany (TP) - choose any or all, I'd love to hear whatever you've got to say:)

Date: 2012-11-18 11:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunasariel.livejournal.com
So sorry to hear about your grandfather. :( My own paternal grandparents died fairly close to each other a couple of years ago, and it really affected my dad quite badly, so I hear ya on that.

that just might be us laymen not understanding how those things work?
Yup, that's what I'm thinking. I was actually just talking to Anna above about how, in retrospect, I may have subconsciously gone in with a "instantly read my mind and cure me in half an hour with your magical voodoo powers!" mentality, which is hardly fair to him.

(and hate onions to boot XD)
*shock* *gasp* *horror* ONION-HATING DEMON!

Why was Celeborn necessary for that story, once again?
Upon further reflection, I'm fairly sure that Tolkien just needed him for the epic framework - in most of the epics/myths I've read, women as rulers in their own right are generally depicted as villains, or at least as way out of their league, so Tolkien gets around Melian and Galadriel being extremely powerful women by giving them husbands to justify their claims to wherever they happen to rule, so they avoid the "powerful women are scaaaaary!" traps the other epics fall into. < / has spent way too much time thinking about this>

did you mind to find eyeliners in different colors?
Yup! I accidentally picked up a grey/black one that I thought was straight-up black, but it works just fine on me. I also have a brown-black one, but haven't really found any occasion to use it yet.

MY BODY IS READY FOR DESPAIRING IN A MANLY, MANLY FASHION *wriggles eyebrows*
*sporfle*

Re: character meme: how far are you in Temeraire? Catherine gets some pretty major character development, and I'd hate to spoil it!

Date: 2012-11-19 10:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ikel89.livejournal.com
Yup, it makes sense, so I hope the doctor can help with or without voodoo, in the end:)

Hah, that's a very interesting theory on Galadriel, but it's so uncharacteristic for Russian literature, jsyk. Our authors forever have this incredible reverence for females in their book, so that female characters are almost always the embodiment of light and virtue and are a source of redemption for the males. I remember a conversation with my favourite Lit teacher, where she said that you can count evil ladies in our classical lit in single-digit numbers, and the majority of them are evil by being a folklore villain archetype.

I'm glad you found colorful pencils to your liking!) I remember you had light eyes and complexion from that Edith picture, so I thought they'd be more fitting than just plain black.

And I actually sporfled once, totally manga-style, over some joke:D

I'm in the second half of book 4 - reading has been very slow because I practically drag though all the descriptions of manure, and Africa doesn't click with me at alllll:( If you want, you can leave Catherine until I'm finished with the series, idk?

Dany, part 1

Date: 2012-11-20 03:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunasariel.livejournal.com
it's so uncharacteristic for Russian literature, jsyk
Hmm, interesting! I do remember Anna mentioning that the fox is unusual in Russian literature/mythology for being a malevolent female trickster figure, and that the rest of them are very different.

I practically drag though all the descriptions of manure, and Africa doesn't click with me at alllll
Yep, EoI does seem to be the low point for a lot of people, myself included. Of course, it could be that all the fun characters are stuck back in England, but it did take me noticeably longer to get through this one than the others, which I, um, kind of inhaled. XD

And I will keep Catherine until you're done, I think, because she has a few Big Moments in the latest book, and I wouldn't spoil those for the world. :)

But in the meantime, here's Dany!

Why I like them: She’s a great mix of Standard Fantasy Heroine and actual real live teenage girl, so, yeah, she can be the Breaker of Chains and Mother of Dragons and Stormborn and Unburnt and titles, titles, titles, but she also feels very real – she has crushes and worries about how good of a job she’s doing (that in itself is reason enough to like her, that she genuinely cares about the people under her protection and always tries to do right by them) and sometimes she screws up, but she learns from it and moves on. She’s also an excellent model of the Targaryen archetype, where sometimes she’s a genius and sometimes she’s just nuts, and it’s occasionally actually quite hard to tell which is which, because her fervent desire to Do What’s Right can sometimes come across as a little scary.

Why I don’t: One of my biggest character pet peeves, right after a character making their own problems and then going all “woe is meeeeee why is the world so cruel?!?!?!” (which, thankfully, Dany doesn’t do; I just brought it up because I can be a cranky old lady sometimes), is characters who aren’t good at their jobs, especially if they’re talked up (or talk themselves up) as hot shit. And although Dany’s intentions are probably the best and purest of any character still left alive, her track record isn’t great. Her victories come mostly through people drastically underestimating her or just not knowing how to deal with dragons, and once the shock value has worn off, then she’s in trouble. She often lets ideals get in the way of being an effective ruler, like the whole mess she’s bogged down in in Meereen, and sacrificing an advantage for morality and ending up with neither, as we see, rarely does anybody any good.

Favorite episode: Either that cool conversation about family history and the duties of a ruler and Rhaegar and rulership in general that she has with Arstan Whitebeard, which is all nicely atmospheric and contemplative and, of course, gives rise to one of my favorite quotes from the series, “Madness and greatness were two sides of the same coin and every time a new Targaryen was born, the gods would toss the coin in the air and the world would hold its breath to see how it would land.” I dunno, it always just sounded really cool to me. Or, alternatively, the whole “DRACARYS!” bit, because when you meet a girl with purple eyes and silver hair who calls herself things like Stormborn and Mother of Dragons (and has the literal dragons to back it up), you don’t mess with her. You just don’t.

Favorite line: Oops, guess I answered this one in the last question. XD

Favorite outfit: Sadly, the only outfit of hers I can remember in any detail is the one-breasted Qartheen gown, but I’ve always noticed that she’s a pretty spiffy dresser. So just about anything, I guess, because I remember that Qartheen gown mainly because of the what. XD

Dany, part 2

Date: 2012-11-20 03:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunasariel.livejournal.com
OTP: Hmm…Dany/Khal Drogo, I guess. I mean, yeah, he was a little rapey and probably didn’t smell all that great, but at least he wasn’t A) related to her or B) a creepy stalker, and they did come to love each other in the end (although I’m not entirely convinced that the relationship was entirely Stockholm syndrome-free, or at least based on a sense of “thank god you’re not my brother”).

BROTP: Dany&Missandei. Seriously, these two are too cute together, and I’m actually looking forward to some great things from Missandei (that is, provided she doesn’t get offed first), since she really has blossomed since Dany A) freed her, B) actually showed interest in her as a person, and C) offered her a future of her choice, which must have been a novel concept for her.

Headcanon: Dany will make a decent Queen of Westeros, even a good Queen of Westeros…as long as she has a strong, capable, somewhat conservative Hand who can rein her in when necessary. It would have to be someone she would actually listen to, and whose advice she could be relied upon to heed, so I’m not sure who it could be, but we basically need another Jon Arryn or a Ned Stark, or even a Tyrion Lannister. Because, after fighting off the wights and maybe having a throwdown with R’hllor and/or The Great Other and generally running around fulfilling prophecies, there’s going to be a lot of reconstruction that needs to happen, and someone has to make sure that Dany strikes a good balance between killing off everybody who fought against her and going all “FOR GRATE JUSTICE!” and being a little too forgiving for her own good.

Unpopular opinion: I’m just kind of meh about Jon/Dany. I know a lot of people are OMGSUPERDUPERFORIT or OMGSUPERDUPERAGAINSTIT. Like, I don’t object to it on the grounds of it not being a surprise if it does happen, because with the amount of theories this fandom tosses around, some of them have got to be right some of the time, and I’m rooting for it in that it would make a nice bit of symmetry and make narrative sense, but they’re not my OTP or anything.

A wish: Dragon/Other throwdown. Make it happen, GRRM. Like, this is probably the twelve-year-old in me talking, but I’m really pulling for a big, War of Wrath-esque last battle (although hopefully without half the continent getting annihilated, because there isn’t that much of Westeros to begin with), because it’s going to be effin’ awesome. Like, Dany with her dragons, and the Coldhands/Bran/Bloodraven/Children of the Forest contingent, and probably Jon (in whatever form) and whatever remnants of Stannis’ army haven’t been wiped out yet and the Night’s Watch and the Wildlings versus the wights/others/Great Other/probably the Ironborn (because I don’t at all like the sound of Euron’s plans for them, and I got me some suspicions about who he’s really working for).

An oh-god-please-don’t-ever-happen: Either win big or lose big, but I really couldn’t stand to see her fade away into madness (and I mean the drooling kind of madness, not the light-people-on-fire kind) or ignominy or servitude or anything like that.

5 words to best describe them: “WHERE ARE MY DRAGONS?!”

My nickname for them: Titles, Titles, Titles.
Edited Date: 2012-11-20 03:55 am (UTC)

Re: Dany, part 2

Date: 2012-11-20 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ikel89.livejournal.com
Thanks! You seem to have a very balanced opinion of Dany, the lit freak in me appreciates that:))
YESS to the favourite quote and Missandei BrOTP <3

I possibly empathize with her more, more in light of my sorting which identified my traits as Targaryen, so stuff I share with Dany makes me feel empathy for her. Plus, I'm mesmerized by the epic, morbid and exotic stuff which happens around her:D Your view of Dany/Drogo seems very realistic to me - esp " a little rapey and probably didn’t smell all that great" bit, LOL. I mean, he IS a barbarian drenched in sweat and blood, and the fact that he was the most freaking functional relationship Dany had makes me a bit sad for her.
I'm in two minds about Jorah, and those two minds are totes book!canon (which is eww hairy angry Jorah get lost) and HBO!canon (omg can you please keep on talking and looking oh-so-knightly).

I lurrrve the idea of the epic showdown, too - my personal fantasy is Dany frying off Mel's hair on the Wall *kukuku evoolz*

How did the drooley madness idea come to your mind? I mean, until you mentioned it, I haven't even thought it was an option...

Titles are stupid, tho XD Targs: Valyrian Pretentiousness Since First Age

Re: Dany, part 2

Date: 2012-11-21 08:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunasariel.livejournal.com
I'm mesmerized by the epic, morbid and exotic stuff which happens around her:D
Oh, man, I forgot the Houses of the Undying scene for "favorite episode!" I can see why they cut all the cool prophecy bits for the show, since nobody would remember them when the actual events rolled around, but damn, I wish we could have seen things like the king with the wolf's head and Rhaegar having his foresight moment, because that was just awesome.

book!canon (which is eww hairy angry Jorah get lost) and HBO!canon (omg can you please keep on talking and looking oh-so-knightly).
Heh, I'd let HBO!Jorah be my bodyguard any day! ;D Actually, the reason I don't like Dany/Jorah all that much, I suspect, is a kind of reaction against sexy!Jorah, since the audience is more disposed to like him when he's being all tragic and handsome and noble than, as you so aptly put it, eew hairy angry Jorah get lost.

Dany frying off Mel's hair on the Wall *kukuku evoolz*
LOL! *applause*

How did the drooley madness idea come to your mind?
It just strikes me as the sort of uncomfortable subversion that GRRM is partial to - he does like to take these grand epic tragedies and make them sort of banal and degrading, like Robert's and Lyanna's EPIC TALE OF TRUE LOVE being shattered by the revelation that Robert still whored around while engaged to her, and that she may even have not loved him all that much in the first place. I admit there hasn't been a whole lot (read: any) actual foreshadowing for drooley madness, but it's GRRM, so I've learned to plan for the worst.

Re: Dany, part 2

Date: 2012-11-21 08:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ikel89.livejournal.com
I have a very silly episode related to House of Undying, actually. I've told it elsewhere already, I think, but in a few words - I didn't realize I'd have read ASOIAF book 2 aaaages ago in Russian (and completely out of context - it was just a random book I picked at the library, outside the series) until I came to the HoU chapter on my read, and EVERY.BLOODY.THING Dany saw there was crystal-clear in my memory. Talk about crappy brain..)

Robert's and Lyanna's EPIC TALE OF TRUE LOVE I actually never ever thought there was an epic true love there - it seemed to me it was a case of Epic Self-Delusion on Robert's side. Shipping ASOIAF characters doesn't really happen in my head - I love the books, and could watch the characters grow and suffer till the end of time, but shipping doesn't really occur to me. There is only one Love Dodecahedron I'm really interested in, and it's [cut for reasons of suspence, because you'll see it in Threesome Ships list soon] =P

Re: Dany, part 2

Date: 2012-11-22 03:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunasariel.livejournal.com
I came to the HoU chapter on my read, and EVERY.BLOODY.THING Dany saw there was crystal-clear in my memory.
LOL! Wow, that must have seemed *really* trippy, reading not just that scene, but the whole book, out of context. XD

Shipping ASOIAF characters doesn't really happen in my head - I love the books, and could watch the characters grow and suffer till the end of time, but shipping doesn't really occur to me.
Heh, it's true that ASOIAF isn't a series that lends itself to shipping, or to warm fluffy feelings in general - I can only think of, like, three couples that are actually healthy off the top of my head, and most of those are broken up and/or dead by now.

Can't wait to read about your Love Dodecahedron, though! :)

Re: Dany, part 2

Date: 2012-11-22 07:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ikel89.livejournal.com
That was mostly wtf is going on, actually. I only remember I liked Jorah-Dany UST, but I didn't realize how Jorah was he back then and imagined him to be a Tristan of sorts (melikes that plot).

But people have a lot of ideas about hot-sex-style shipping in asoiaf, though! Doesn't take a fucntional relationships to do that ;>>

Tiffany Aching

Date: 2012-11-24 07:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunasariel.livejournal.com
Why I like them: I generally don’t like child characters. Or at least, I find very, very few that are done well – that realistically act like children, but aren’t walking plot devices or bone-stupid or both, and Tiffany is quite possibly one of the best child characters I’ve ever read. I fell in love with her straightforwardness, courage, and no-nonsense take on life pretty much from the get-go, and I’ve only come to like her more as she matured. I love me some sensible characters who avoid needless drama, and she’s basically the epitome of that.

Why I don’t: Because I’m an awful lot like Petulia Gristle, and Tiffany teasing her made me a little *meep*.

Favorite episode: The first one that comes to mind is her first big scene, where she clobbers Jenny Greenteeth with her trusty frying pan. Because even though she actually doesn’t like Wentworth that much (and I rather tend to agree on the disagreeability of sticky younger siblings that one is required to watch), darned if watery tarts are going to go around stealing people’s little brothers like that.

Favorite line: The first thing that comes to mind is actually a series of quotes, from I Shall Wear Midnight – "By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes [...] By the stinking of my nose, something wicked this way goes [...] By the blinking of my eyes, something wicked this way dies." This may be because on the Terry Pratchett Fanmix of Awesome (http://fanmix.livejournal.com/1089079.html), Wyrd Sisters is represented by the lovely-but-unsettling Lady Macbeth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9MZzoHk_0M), so the two are kind of linked in my head. Like most Discworld protagonists, though, Tiffany has a lot of great one-liners, but, sadly, my abysmal memory for quotes hardly stands me in good stead here.

Favorite outfit: Actually, I kind of forget what Tiffany wears most of the time, but the accessories are important. Like, I assume that she wears sensible boots and plenty of rather drab black because she’s a witch, but, dude, her frying pan is a thing not to be trifled with, and her horse necklace that Roland sent her just sounds gorgeous.

OTP: Tiffany/witchery. I was always a little “meh” about Roland. He seemed too neat, too pat, and my instincts turned out to be right when they broke up (although I’m glad they did so amicably, because he’s not a bad guy). I liked the next guy a little better, but for me, Tiffany’s romances will always take a backseat to her duties and her magic.

BROTP: Tiffany&Nac Mac Feegle 4EVA! Because being assaulted by a horde of Smurfs is hilarious but also kinda disturbing, but being assaulted by a horde of Smurfs because you threatened the girl they hang out with is just a CMoA. (And, together, they have *all* the best lines.)

Headcanon: Wentworth is going to grow up to be a badass. Because you don’t grow up surrounded by Feegles and Jenny Greenteeth and be related to people like Tiffany and Granny Aching without inheriting at least a little bit of the awesome gene.

Unpopular opinion: Hmm…actually, I can’t think of one. XD I’m not really in the Discworld fandom, and, much to my chagrin, I’ve only read the Tiffany books once, so I don’t really know what’s popular and what isn’t, and I actually have very few opinions about her that could be considered controversial.

A wish: Harry Potter pastiche! Like, it doesn’t even have to be an entire book – a throwaway gag like the Jane Austen one in Snuff would suit me just dandy.

An oh-god-please-don’t-ever-happen: This is more of a thank-god-this-will-never-happen, but thank you, Mr. Pratchett, for Tiffany’s no-nonsense approach to problem-solving! Her attitude towards DRAMA!!!!1!! is seriously one of my favorite things about her.

5 words to best describe them: Feegle-friend, frying pan, witch.

My nickname for them: My Superpower Is Sensibleness.

Re: Tiffany Aching

Date: 2012-11-26 09:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ikel89.livejournal.com
Thank you:) I don't get to talk to many people about Tiffany - somehow her books are more marginal than the rest of them? - so it was a double pleasure.

*fistbump* on sticky younger siblings - I guess the feeling is universal for elder sisters of the world:)

I liked the necklace so much! I'd have bought it on the spot if I saw it;) And it plays a part in why I liked Wintersmith so much.

Wentworth is going to grow up to be a badass. Headcanon accepted with no hesitation! For all the reasons you mentioned.

o-nonsense approach to problem-solving THAT. And Third Thoughts:D

Thank you for the fanmix link - haven't seen it before, even if I've been following that community for quite a while:) Unfortunately, my last two days of grappling with the bloody links did not yield much results - precisely the reason why I haven't replied to the comment sooner - I'll just find the songs I liked individually. Thanks for the rec, again:)

Re: Tiffany Aching

Date: 2012-11-27 01:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunasariel.livejournal.com
somehow her books are more marginal than the rest of them?
Yeah, I find that the Tiffany books get overlooked by Pratchett fans quite often. This included me for a good long while, mind you - I inhaled the rest of the Discworld books years before giving Tiffany a go, first because I thought they were in a seperate canon, a lá Nation or Good Omens, and then because one of my main literary faults is that I can be kind of a snob/ridiculously picky about YA lit, so I generally stay away from it.

I guess the feeling is universal for elder sisters of the world:)
Heh, true. I mean, my brother was quite obliging when it came to, um, obeying me unquestioningly, but there does seem to be some inherent part of big-sister-ness that is perpetually annpyed with one's younger siblings. XD

Unfortunately, my last two days of grappling with the bloody links did not yield much results
Noooooo! That sucks; this is honestly one of my favorite fanmixes EVAR. If you're still having trouble with finding the songs, would you like me to upload the mix on mediafire or something? Because this truly isn't a fanmix to be missed.

Re: Tiffany Aching

Date: 2012-11-27 06:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ikel89.livejournal.com
Speaking of Nation, did you like it?

My brother was a total Odie - it was really cute (yet annoying for me as a Garfield, naturally =P)

Thank you for the offer! I'll work some more with individual song links, and will let you know when/if all my attempts fail. Thanks again:D

Re: Tiffany Aching

Date: 2012-11-28 06:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunasariel.livejournal.com
Speaking of Nation, did you like it?
Never got around to it, actually. XD It's definitely on my "To Read One of These Days" list, but I guess it's just never fallen into my path, and I haven't had the time to go hunt it down. I've heard almost nothing but good things about it, though, so I'm sure I'll enjoy it when I do get around to it! :)

Aww, your and your brother's Garfield & Odie routine sounds adorable! (And, heh, I totally hear you on Odies being annoying to us Garfields, especially as tots.)

Re: Tiffany Aching

Date: 2012-11-28 10:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ikel89.livejournal.com
Oh, I see. It was one of the rare TP books I cried over, actually:) But it's good to have an unread TP stashed for a bad day, right?:)

We need a badge, you and I, with 'Garfields Do It Better' XD

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